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Post by Gaaalindafied on Jun 3, 2004 8:48:54 GMT -5
Ok.... There were a few sactions of the book that i did not understand... one of them is the water fall. Who lived in the water fall, and the allutions they were making to Elphie and the water fall lady.... Elphie couldent live in a water fall.... she's allergic to water.... right?!?!? I totaly didn't get this part. Some one help me. I NEED clarification! Thanks!
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Post by ElphieatShiz on Jun 3, 2004 10:21:36 GMT -5
This was their story of creation, so to speak. Lurline(?), a goddess, supposedly lived behind the waterfall. She took some grapes with her and ate some every few years or so and eventually came back out. Then she went back in with more grapes b/c she didn't like the way the world had turned out(?). Elphie is kind of like her, but I can't remember why. Someone else will have to take a crack at that.
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Post by Artichoke on Jun 4, 2004 7:09:14 GMT -5
It was Saint Aelphaba that lived behind the waterfall. She went there because she was so beautiful she couldn't study her scriptures and stuff cause all the guys were after her. Elphie was named after this saint. Which is kinda wierd since she's allergic to water.
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Post by N0tThatGirL213 on Jun 4, 2004 14:19:12 GMT -5
Ok, here's a sure way to confuse yourself...
When Elphaba visits the Clock of the Time Dragon and is shown the play by the dwarf, the first act is of St. Aelphaba's life. The second is of her own. The third "The Marriage of the Sacred and the Wicked" is "unwritten". So does that mean that in death the two become one?
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Post by Gaaalindafied on Jun 5, 2004 17:02:24 GMT -5
wow.... thats deep....... i didn't think of it that way.... I thought of it as a possible redemption for elphie that she can still change her ways and possibly mary her lover..... fyeroba will live on..... un like bennifer! lol.
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Post by TequilaFunsize on Jul 24, 2004 7:56:31 GMT -5
It plays on the irony of the entire situation.. And with the third act of that play, I think I remember seeing it as St. Aelphaba being behind that waterfall for the rest of her life and when Elphaba dies, she'll finally found the peace that St. Aelphaba found behind that waterfall so they're more like each other than anyone expected.
I have to reread the book again.. I read it in February or something.
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Post by Elphie on Jul 24, 2004 10:17:45 GMT -5
We really need that book club to start up so we can all reread that because I totally don't remember the Time Dragon play! ;D
wOOt book club has started! Everyone head over to Three Queens to check out the first section the book club is reading!
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Post by mongoosey on Feb 7, 2005 2:56:52 GMT -5
I think the waterfall is somewhat ironic, Elphaba herself reacting so violently with the water that her namesake can easily vanish behind. It also suggests that Elphaba and the Saint are both one and the same person, as is Satan and God (terrible metaphor for some Christians, Catholics, etc.). The blurring of good and evil, and all that jazz. Perhaps the first leg of life-Saint Aelphaba-was perceived as a Saint by the public (and what are opinions if they are never considered *snort*), and by some chance the next leg of life-Elphaba Thropp-was perceived as wicked. Both being one and the same, except in different packages...
Maguire clearly mocks the dim and easily changeable perception of things, whether of great consequence or tiny. The waterfall signifies the hiding place of Saint Aelphaba, who had either become tired of praises (my, does my heart grieve so) or frightened of the world's insatiable lust for "good", and the resting place of Elphaba Thropp, the only difference being that the waterfall is a sanctuary of one and the personal torture of the other.
And one day the world will hopefully acknowledge the ambiguity of godliness and wickedness, hence the quote: "Marriage of the Sacred and the Wicked"
Poor dear, though. Maguire must be sadistic, for how does one so allergic to water except to emerge from a waterfall?
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Post by defyingravity11 on Feb 7, 2005 12:46:10 GMT -5
I think the waterfall is somewhat ironic, Elphaba herself reacting so violently with the water that her namesake can easily vanish behind. It also suggests that Elphaba and the Saint are both one and the same person, as is Satan and God (terrible metaphor for some Christians, Catholics, etc.). The blurring of good and evil, and all that jazz. Perhaps the first leg of life-Saint Aelphaba-was perceived as a Saint by the public (and what are opinions if they are never considered *snort*), and by some chance the next leg of life-Elphaba Thropp-was perceived as wicked. Both being one and the same, except in different packages... Maguire clearly mocks the dim and easily changeable perception of things, whether of great consequence or tiny. The waterfall signifies the hiding place of Saint Aelphaba, who had either become tired of praises (my, does my heart grieve so) or frightened of the world's insatiable lust for "good", and the resting place of Elphaba Thropp, the only difference being that the waterfall is a sanctuary of one and the personal torture of the other. And one day the world will hopefully acknowledge the ambiguity of godliness and wickedness, hence the quote: "Marriage of the Sacred and the Wicked" Poor dear, though. Maguire must be sadistic, for how does one so allergic to water except to emerge from a waterfall? WOW! i never thought of it like that before! it makes a lot of sense though  GREAT ANALYSIS! ;D |
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Post by Kat on Feb 7, 2005 15:29:24 GMT -5
This was their story of creation, so to speak. Lurline(?), a goddess, supposedly lived behind the waterfall. I know Lurline is the Queen of the fairies in the original Wizard Of Oz series. Is this the one and the same woman? |
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GREAT ANALYSIS! ;D
