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Post by Elphie on Jul 26, 2004 3:45:52 GMT -5
Here's the discussion thread for pages 1-62, Munchkinlanders. We're trying to have this section read by sunday, the first of August. Post all questions or comments about this section here!
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Post by Elphie on Jul 26, 2004 18:25:33 GMT -5
My favourite part of the prologue:
She would emerge. She always had before. The punishing political climate of Oz had beat her down, dried her up, tossed her away- like a seedling she had drifted, apparently too desicated ever to take root. But surely the curse was on the land of Oz, not on her. Though Oz had given her a twisted life, hadn't it also made her capable? This is like the perfect way to sum up all that Elphie had been to up until that point. Isn't it?? Or am I just crazy?
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Post by wickedOlivia on Jul 26, 2004 19:10:31 GMT -5
*cough* crazy *cough* ;D
seriously though, I did like that part...
the main thing for me about this section was the awful way baby Elphie was treated, I hated this...the way her mother acted towards her...didn't enjoy. But I will pull out specific parts later on when I have the novel in front of me
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Post by dramaqueen25 on Jul 27, 2004 5:00:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't like the way little Elphaba was treated either. But I love how Nanny thinks Elphaba's hair is beautiful. I think it kind of shows that Elphaba is really beautfiul, even though by looking at her you can't tell.
Also, is anyone else now afraid of puppets because of this chapter? LLAM.
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Post by Popular Glinda on Jul 27, 2004 17:21:43 GMT -5
Also, is anyone else now afraid of puppets because of this chapter? LLAM. Oh my Oz, lol, I was so scarred to see puppet shows after this. And then I heard about that one part in Avenue Q (*coughPUPPETSEXcough*) and I was like "Wicked and Avenue Q have something in common...dirty dirty puppets" |
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Post by Elphie on Jul 27, 2004 19:10:49 GMT -5
Yeah I love how Nanny was on Elphie's side right from the very beginning even when she was talking to Frex in the carriage and she's like 'she's not an it, she's a she. Yay Nanny! Because of this I think it's terrible how Nanny ends up at the end. But yeah we'll talk about that later  llam puppets are so evil now! |
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Post by N0tThatGirL213 on Jul 28, 2004 15:33:22 GMT -5
I love the references to Elphaba being "a singing child." I think it's really amazing how you can go through the book and find little pieces of the show without being able to really tell what exactly is based on what.
Also, *if you go back and read the prologue after you've read the whole book, you'll find that all of the "rumors" are in some way true*
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Post by Elphie on Jul 29, 2004 12:12:02 GMT -5
Yeah I love those 'singing' references too |
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Post by StageFiyero on Aug 2, 2004 6:33:16 GMT -5
I love how real Gregory Maguire makes baby Elphaba with the slightest words... especially when she puts her hands on her toes. It just makes her so baby-like.
And I agree, Melena treated Elphaba morribly ::cough:: horribly!
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Post by Elphie on Aug 2, 2004 14:00:06 GMT -5
"Darling, no rocks," shrilled Nanny. "None of the other children have rocks."
"Now they do," observed Gawnette....
"No biting," said Gawnette to one of the little boys, and then, seeing Elphaba oen her mouth to retaliate, raised herself to her feet, bad hip or no, and screamed "no biting, for the love of mercy!"
"Aren't children divine?" said Nanny.
I love this part but it's so wrong at the same time- it's funny to think of them sitting around watching this play out but at the same time it's kinda cruel. One of the many paradoxes of Maguire's writing. You like it but don't want to like it at the same time because the way he has with lude details is kinda eye-opening.
I also love the part when Nanny is trying to convince Melena to let Elphie go visit other children and Nanny says 'we'll go in tomorrow and get her life started.'
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Post by WicKayed on Aug 3, 2004 4:37:12 GMT -5
I love how real Gregory Maguire makes baby Elphaba with the slightest words... especially when she puts her hands on her toes. It just makes her so baby-like. I've always loved the bits about baby Elphaba. Though they say how ghastly she is with sharp, nasty teeth and skin color... I dunno, she just seems cute to me. I think the point is, she's a normal baby in spite of it all. It's the people around her who act strange, not Elphaba. |
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Post by Popular Glinda on Aug 3, 2004 13:33:49 GMT -5
"Darling, no rocks," shrilled Nanny. "None of the other children have rocks."
"Now they do," observed Gawnette....
"No biting," said Gawnette to one of the little boys, and then, seeing Elphaba oen her mouth to retaliate, raised herself to her feet, bad hip or no, and screamed "no biting, for the love of mercy!"
"Aren't children divine?" said Nanny. That is most definately one of my favorite passages from the book. I think its such great imagery and I think it sets up what Elphaba is like...but sort of not. That probably makes no sense...but I love that part. |
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Post by Falbalaflies on Sept 26, 2004 18:34:08 GMT -5
I thought the whole Munchkinlander's section really made us wake up and realize what Elphie had to go through with society as early on as her first days of life and how much people hated her then before she could even express her feelings through language. The early part of the book really sets the stage for her mistreatment later in life that causes her to become the Wicked Witch of the West.
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