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Post by Popular Glinda on Jul 26, 2004 8:03:11 GMT -5
Okay, I read on someone's Wicked website that in the book, Fiyero is African American. But I guess not American...Just...Oh, you know what I mean. I don't think he is, but maybe I'm just wrong. I remember reading that he had tanner skin than Glinda and everyone else (except Elphie, of course) but I don't think he was black. Can someone clear this up for me?
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Post by Elphie on Jul 26, 2004 18:27:47 GMT -5
I always pictured Fiyero as a middle-easterner. Maybe the whole desert thing, but yeah he always seemed like some kind of turn-of-the-20thcentury Egyptian nomad type-guy. Like the medji in The Mummy  |
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Post by Popular Glinda on Jul 27, 2004 4:53:58 GMT -5
Yes, see, I pictured him that way too.
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Post by youcantpullmedown on Aug 17, 2004 9:13:36 GMT -5
Are all Winkies the same color as Fiyero? Because when I was picturing Liir, I wasn't sure what color he would be if his Mom is Green and his Dad is Black. There was a line about "Elphaba wished for once that Liir had just a little green in his skin." I dunno...I'm just totally confused about what Liir would look like. Because if he has the same skin color as Fiyero, wouldn't that be a dead giveaway to Sarima and everyone else that Liir was Fiyero's son?
All I know is that Liir is fat, llam.
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Post by Silla on Aug 17, 2004 9:52:24 GMT -5
I always figured that Liir had inherited his grandparents' (Elphaba's parents) colouring... maybe we could figure out a Punnett square to determine how likely it would be that Elphaba's colour would pass down to her children? lol...
I supposed that maybe his skin tone would be a little darker... not Winkie dark, but not milky white either.
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Post by Lady Mule Skinner on Aug 18, 2004 6:13:14 GMT -5
I thought that Fiyero was described in terms of dusky, rosy skin. I can't think of a real-world example, but I guess Egyptian wouldn't be too far off. He's definitely not African black, though. The woodblock illustration at the beginning of that section of the book (I can't remember the section title) helps with my point about that.
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Post by StageFiyero on Aug 19, 2004 3:28:18 GMT -5
But the way Avaric describes it implies that he's black.
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Post by Cate on Sept 8, 2004 21:58:17 GMT -5
Quotes from the book:
A new student, oddly dressed in suede leggings and a white cotton shirt, with a pattern of blue diamonds tattooed on the dark skin of his face and hands.
"What's he wearing such silly paint for?" said Avaric. "He only draws attention to himself. And that skin. I wouldn't want to have skin the color of shit."
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Post by greenatheart on Sept 16, 2004 1:26:25 GMT -5
i imagined fiyero as brown-skinned because of the above quote. there is also a reference to his dark skin when he was suspected to have had an affair with glinda. i don't have the book with me at the moment so i can't quote directly, but it said something to the effect that glinda would never have had an affair with fiyero because he was dark-skinned. very interesting the way that gregory maguire created racial politics in OZ...
and i believe the character who was described as dusky rose was turtle heart, the quadling.
come to think of it, it actually makes sense to me.. i'm going to show a bit of my geekiness right now... as soon as i finished reading Wicked, i looked up the original Wizard of OZ book so that i could make comparisons (i found the annotated version no less, so it included notes on the background of everything in the story). the map at the beginning of Wicked parallels the map that L. Frank Baum created. but in the Wizard of OZ, each region had a specific color -- munchkinland was yellow, gilikin was blue, emerald city (where yellow and blue meet) was green, quadling region was red, and i think the "winkie" region was either purple or brown.... or the area near it was brown... something like that... so maybe based on that, it makes sense that turtle heart from the quadling region would have reddish skin, and that fiyero would have brownish skin....
or maybe i'm just completely reaching here... i'll have to look up baum's map again and check the colors of each region...
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Post by ElphieatShiz on Sept 16, 2004 8:02:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Turtleheart is red b/c of Quadling country being red. That's what I thought of when I read that he was red. I think Winkie country was yellow, or some shade of brown. Munchkinland was blue. Gillikin was purple.
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Post by greenatheart on Sept 17, 2004 0:24:10 GMT -5
thanks for the region/color clarification! i was wracking my brain trying to remember which was which!
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Post by StageFiyero on Sept 17, 2004 15:36:44 GMT -5
Just a bit about the original Oz map...
The original Oz map was accidentally reversed with Munchkinland (East) on the left side and Winkie Country (West) on the right. The correct map is like this:
Gillikin Country (Purple)
Winkie Country (Yellow) O Munchkinland (Blue)
Quadling Country (Red)
The O in the middle is representative of the Emerald City, where green is obviously the favorite color.
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Post by mongoosey on Feb 6, 2005 23:52:06 GMT -5
I think Fiyero looked more Pacific Islander-ish than black, or Native American. And isn't Elphaba like, half Irish?
Haha. Wow. Revelation right there. My friend is "Black-Irish", which is funny since she looks like a super pretty Barbie, but apparently means Spanish/Irish.
But I digress.
And I wonder why Sarima was "pale"?
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Post by VivaTaquitos on Feb 7, 2005 21:47:05 GMT -5
And isn't Elphaba like, half Irish? YES!!! I said that to myself too!!! Maybe that's why she's green...ha, I'm a dork. |
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Post by Emeraldgreengirl on Apr 14, 2005 23:25:50 GMT -5
note; Elphie's skin colour was not genetic, so a punnet square would look like this. Dominant gene is capital, assuming Fiyero has dominant with darker skin tone and Elphie's genes are recessive, with a Dominant/recessive equaling co-dominance.
If fiyero had parents of the same race:
_____C___C__
c | Cc | Cc
______________
c | Cc | Cc
All would be co-dominant.
If Fiyero had parents of mixed race
___C____c___
c | Cc | cc
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c | Cc | cc
______________
so two lighter skinned and two mixed tones.
It isn't really that easy skin colour is controlled by more than one set of genes but just for basics this might be helpful.
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