Elphie
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As long as people are going to call you a lunatic anyway, why not get the benefit of it?
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Post by Elphie on Apr 17, 2004 15:38:57 GMT -5
It reminds me of the places Laurell K. Hamilton writes about in the Anita Blake books. Places where the audience gets to 'participate' with the actors and believe they're really having a great time when actually they're being taken advantage of but don't even realize it. I hope this makes some semblance of remote sense. I don't really know how else to describe it. Let's just say it's a place that looks fun until you actually join in. Oooo Mon! Anita Blake Reference!! your addicted! I guess it's only fair because you're gotten me addicted to WICKED! Sorry guys, I realize completely off topic On topic: There were some scenes (as mentioned previously) that made me blush anytime I was reading in public! luckily my mother doesn't have anywhere near the same taste in books as me (plus I don't live at home) so I don't have to worry about getting "a talk"![/quote] Kay I'm not obsessed! Doesn't the Philosophy Club remind you of the strip club they go to in the very first book and then also in Obsidian Butterfly Cuz there are paid employees and then they make the audience join in and everything gets all freaky. Except with vampires, just like with the tiger in Wicked... |
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Post by bubbles_n_brooms on Apr 25, 2004 20:53:49 GMT -5
My mom wanted to read the book after we saw the show in jan. but i keep putting it off. I actually think she would like it if she understood it. But when i said it might not be apporpiate for my bro who's 13 she asked why and i told her and she's like omug u read this and enjoy it. I'm like of course i read it 3 times so far!
But the PC is very confussing i had to read it twice b4 i understood it.
~chele~
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Post by Gaaalindafied on May 21, 2004 16:44:49 GMT -5
yeah... I instantly got it, and overall it is a fantastic book.... so i actually recomended it to my mom to read ( forgeting about the PC and the whole love scenes with Elphie and the whole Turtle Heart scandle). So far I have stolen it back from her room 4 times.... any suggestions?  |
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Letty
Sorceress-In-Training
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Post by Letty on May 24, 2004 14:07:07 GMT -5
I got the book for Christmas and loved it but at the PC and Elphie/Fyero romance scenes I had to close the book and either laugh or just sit there disgusted...lol I laughed at the PC cuz i thought it was so weird and gross. Its my fave book after HP though.
Then my dad started to read it and he got mad at my mom for getting it for me and letting me read it (i was 13 at the time) it was kinda funny..both of my parents loved the book but I think they regret getting it for me without them reading it first..
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Post by theatreangel on May 28, 2004 9:49:19 GMT -5
*llam* I first got it when I was thirteen, too, and I wasn't too keen on reading it since it had been before I'd seen the musical, so my mom decided to read it first. Needless to say, she wouldn't let me read it after only reading Chapter One. ;-) I managed to steal it back every night and read it.
I thought the F/E love scenes were SWEET. ;-)
But yeah, mothers. Pffft. LLAM
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galinda918
Winkie
Because happy is what happens when all your dreams come true!
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Post by galinda918 on Jun 1, 2004 12:23:02 GMT -5
i guess the first time i read the PC chapter, i wasn't all there..i got to the end of it, went "HUH?" re-read it and went.."ehhh.." LoL
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Post by Gaaalindafied on Jun 3, 2004 8:46:13 GMT -5
yeah.... i totaly didnt understand the pc chapter the first few times i read it.... then i talked to my wicked friends, and they explained it to me.... turning reder and reder by the second. Then it kinda clicked in and i was like "ohhhhh, how did I not see that!"... the truth is, I had a feeling, but I thought..... Boq would never go to a place like this.... i guess I was wrong.... I love being naive...... living in a bubble is great...( he he he, glinda reference!)
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xoerykaxo
Winkie
i think they meant it, when they said you can't buy love. now i know you can rent it
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Post by xoerykaxo on Jul 12, 2004 8:30:23 GMT -5
ya when i read the ch. about the PC at first i was like what the..? but i reread and it started to sink in.hehe. Since i loved it so much my mom keeps asking if she can read and im always like "you wouldnt like it" shes very strict and if she read id prob. be disowned or something  |
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Post by SquarePeg on Sept 4, 2004 0:35:54 GMT -5
One of the ideas I've heard about the Philosophy Club is that it's a way to blur the lines between good and evil. obviously, that's the idea behind the whole book -- defining and constructing "good" and "evil", and up until that point we thought certain things about certain characters, and their actions at the Philosophy Club made you reconsider that.
I also wonder if it was a reaction to the innocence surrounding Oz in general -- the kids books but Baum, the tone of the movie. Perhaps in order to deepen the experience and make it more real/dangerous, Maguire wanted to explore ideas of sexuality and identity.
Kat.
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Post by EclipstHeart on Sept 6, 2004 23:23:53 GMT -5
okay, i'll try to be frank tho veiled. i dont wanna be banned or anything
reading the book, the philosophy club reminds me of some sort of bestial, steamy san francisco bathhouse, if u catch my drift. i read it and think of steam and showers and unnameable facets of the seeds of ill repute.
as a metaphor, could these be elpahaba's suppressed desires...? something, for all her talk, she so rarely embraces???
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Post by theatreangel on Sept 7, 2004 11:34:11 GMT -5
But Elphaba doesn't actually participate in the Philosophy Club. She does attend it but she never really joins in any of the...er...activities going on there (*llam*). I suppose they could be her suppressed desires, which is really a very interesting point, but she doesn't actually participate, so I don't know...
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Post by Popular Glinda on Sept 7, 2004 17:49:33 GMT -5
Actually, Elphie doesn't go with to the Philosophy Club. She actually protests against it. While everyone skips of to the Philosophy Club, she and Galinda leave for the Emerald City.
Just clearing that up ;D
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Post by SquarePeg on Sept 8, 2004 2:45:26 GMT -5
as a metaphor, could these be elpahaba's suppressed desires...? something, for all her talk, she so rarely embraces??? Well, that's hard to say because we lose so much of what happens to her between leaving Glinda in the Emerald City and reappearing when Fiyero recognises her. However, we do know she's had sex before Fiyero comes along ("You think I am such a virgin" "You didn't bleed the first time," he observed, p.192), so I don't know if she 'suppresses' sexual desires, but perhaps the fact that she doesn't go shows some need to suppress intimate connection? I'll have to go back and read her defense for not going, I can't remember why she is so disgusted at the idea of going. Kat. |
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Post by EclipstHeart on Sept 8, 2004 17:44:00 GMT -5
i don't think she suppresses sexual desires. quite the contrary, she is a very sensual and sexual being.
however, i believ she suppresses the frolicking sexual deviancies and perversions prevalent in the philosophy club.
i think she views sexual activity as intimate and loving, and requires at least some sort of relationship.
intercourse with random strangers and Animals, I don't think, appeals to her so much as the intimate union she shares with one she loves, her Hero, Yero...
but thats just my observation.
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Post by VivaTaquitos on Sept 9, 2004 21:41:24 GMT -5
Okay, my turn for a rant. A Hudson County dweller rant.
Well, before I start my opiinions, my good friend Rosie who happened to read the book before me, warned me that it was very 'graphic' so I knew something was coming, so I prepared myself for it. Honestly, I see worse things in the neighborhood around me. Hey, that's what Union City does to ya.
First off, the PC kinda seemed to me a cross between a Hooters and the stripper place called Genaro's by me. And yes, whenever someone mention's the word 'philosophy' I crack up.
Secondly, I didn't really mind the whole romance scene thing...yeah, it was a bit descriptive (sp?), but if you get beyond all that raunchy (is that the right word for it? is that the right SPELLING for it?) munbo jumbo it could be a good romance seen. Keyword: could.
Thirdly, about the whole parents reading it thing...yeah, well, my parents don't have a clue what I read if I don't tell them. Wicked...Gossip Girl...the same strategy. Not that I like Gossip Girl. But forget the parents. It's embarassing for your teacher to know that SHE read it before you did, and then you read it and discuss...I'd wish I'd have a video camera with that. Talk about world's funniest home videos.
And fourthly, about the whole...'first time' virgin thing...my personal opinion is that she got raped by some person/thing/whatever that we're just not hearing which exists in Maguire's little fantasy world. She had that scar-like marking on a place where the sun don't shine, after all.
Overall, I'd say Maguire is just a tad bit of a pervert. Just a tad.
Oh yeah, that that munchkin getting their freak on thing....that was classic.
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Cuz there are paid employees and then they make the audience join in and everything gets all freaky. Except with vampires, just like with the tiger in Wicked...
